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"Beau reminded me a lot of Robert Picardo (Richard Woolsey) – both were very successful, incredibly experienced, and always made it a point to come by our offices to run prospective dialogue changes by us rather than simply surprising us in the dailies. Like Bob, Beau would always make the time to come up and see us to request even the tiniest of changes. Both of them were class acts and I have nothing but terrific memories of working with them." -- Joe Mallozzi 5 June 2011
Beau Bridges & Robert Picardo are AWESOME. Mad props & nothing but love love love to them and what they brought to the franchise.

LOL at "surprising us" with dialog changes in the dailies. Someone's using the Royal We.
Demotivational LOLCat: orange tabby with ears back and mouth wide open, next to enema kit, caption Special Delivery for Capt Butthurt

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Date: 2011-06-07 09:43 am (UTC)
ext_391411: There is a god sitting here with wet fingers. (fear)
From: [identity profile] campylobacter.livejournal.com
Oh my, yes -- even though I can't wait to watch Samlantis, the *reason why* the expedition has a new leader is one I'm not looking forward to watching.

Elizabeth, to me, is like a modern-day Ancient. She fits so naturally into the role of Atlantis' caretaker & leader that it's easy to believe she was chosen by destiny to be there.

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Date: 2011-06-07 09:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingasaur.livejournal.com
SAMLANTIS ISN'T EVEN WORTH IT because she's not even there enough to justify getting rid of Torri, which only compounds upon my existing fury. It's still a cool thing for somebody who's always in Sam's corner, but you juuust can't shake the overall bitterness of the entire situation.

I gotta go to bed instead of talking about this opus of sorrow.
Edited Date: 2011-06-07 09:47 am (UTC)

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Date: 2011-06-07 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] franthewndrhrse.livejournal.com
This conversation totally bums me out. (Not that you shouldn't be talking about it, I don't mean that.) I haven't followed the ins and outs of SG1 or SGA, just heard bits and pieces here and there. SIGH.

As I was reading some SG1 fanfic last night, I was thinking how much I missed both shows. I too, liked Elizabeth a lot and was disappointed to see her go. I like Sam a lot, too, but that's beside the point.

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Date: 2011-06-08 05:14 am (UTC)
ext_391411: There is a god sitting here with wet fingers. (Qetesh)
From: [identity profile] campylobacter.livejournal.com
Yeah, I also got bummed when I heard about certain behind-the-scenes stuff for The X-Files. Hollywood power players are a predictably wretched lot.

it's weird how the writers confessed to having watched Farscape & Firefly, but didn't take with them the fact that having more women & people of color makes a show REALLY GOOD.

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Date: 2011-06-07 06:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anna-sg1.livejournal.com
Ugh, this discussion brings back memories... I always feel like Atlantis missed out on the potential to be so freakin' amazing. Insead of just ~good. Getting rid of Elizabeth was the worst move they could've done but I guess Mallozzi and crew reach the highest point in their ability to write a female character. :/ Sad.

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Date: 2011-06-08 05:16 am (UTC)
ext_391411: There is a god sitting here with wet fingers. (fear)
From: [identity profile] campylobacter.livejournal.com
I wish I knew WHY they got rid of Weir. Did the SciFi network poll viewers who said they didn't watch because of Weir? Ugh. I'm not sure I want to know.

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Date: 2011-06-08 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anna-sg1.livejournal.com
Oh, you know their ~reasoning. They did it for ~shock and whatever. :/

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Date: 2011-06-08 04:05 am (UTC)
ext_45525: Gleeful Baby Riding A Bouncy Horse Toy (SendMoreSrsly)
From: [identity profile] thothmes.livejournal.com
SAMLANTIS ISN'T EVEN WORTH IT

Big Picture-wise, I'd have to say I agree with you, and I definitely see where you are coming from. And Torri got a raw deal all around and should never have been removed. Instead they should have further developed her character as she took on new and more difficult challenges, and was further removed from the political and social milieu in which she had moved in her life on Earth.

I would have loved to have seen an ep. where Weir goes home for meetings, and runs into her former colleagues spouting anti-military platitudes, and surprises them with (the nuanced) way in which her views have changed, the genesis of which she cannot discuss, while back in Atlantis Sheppard (who has worked with her for a while now) takes a more patient and pacifist approach to a situation than Lorne and Ronan think he should. That was the joy of the original Stargate was seeing all the growth and change with time. The Daniel that faced Khallek was not the Daniel that stepped up to the priests on Chulak the first time they went there.

I came to Atlantis from SG-1 (and am always surprised to note how many people did it the other way around), and for me, the few scenes where we get to see Sam really flex her commandatorial muscle and be awesome are worth it. There are not many of these, but I treasure them, because we get to see almost none of this in Seasons 8, 9, & 10 of Stargate SG-1, in spite of the fact that Sam commanded SG-1 for a year, and held the same rank as Mitchell in the last two years. We continue to get Sam the galaxy-saving Soopergenius, but not Sam the commander. So getting to see her say (in essence) "My base, my rules, I'm in charge here, deal with ME!" was a big payoff.

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Date: 2011-06-08 04:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingasaur.livejournal.com
in spite of the fact that Sam commanded SG-1 for a year

oh my god, don't even get me started on this. Season 8, my mortal enemy. "Yes, I think we need to have some episodes about Anubis being a ghost and Maybourne having 40 wives. Sam being in command of SG-1? Why would we want to show that?"

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Date: 2011-06-08 04:30 am (UTC)
ext_45525: Gleeful Baby Riding A Bouncy Horse Toy (You Go Girl!)
From: [identity profile] thothmes.livejournal.com
Exactly! And my son wondered why I looked at him like he'd grown a second head when he said that he thought Season 8 was his favorite season.

Then again, he was a teenage male. A pretty nice guy, and fond enough of strong women that he turned down a number of girls who showed an interest in him because they were nice but too... well, they'd just let him roll right over him, and he wants someone who will challenge him and win sometimes, but a guy nevertheless.

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Date: 2011-06-08 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingasaur.livejournal.com
RIGHT, I don't understand how so many people love season 8. I mean, not trying to dump on anyone who does because different tastes and stuff, but there are just so many little underlying things. Not to mention the fact that Icon was supposed to be a Sam episode and then it wasn't because "we've had a lot of Sam stories recently." Right, if by a lot of Sam stories you mean her spending a few episodes getting the shit beaten out of her.

We're not painting a very good picture of things for Campy, are we? Campy it's okay it's still great. Most of the time.

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Date: 2011-06-08 04:50 am (UTC)
ext_391411: Scully/Invisigoth from XF "Killswitch". (tongue)
From: [identity profile] campylobacter.livejournal.com
LOL

I survived what Chris Carter did to Scully & her baby in The X-Files, so I'll survive SG-1 S8!

(We will also not talk about what happened to Krycek & The Lone Gunmen. MAI CREYZ LET ME SHOW U TEHM)

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Date: 2011-06-08 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingasaur.livejournal.com
CREYS FOREVER AND EVER. I don't even think I saw those episodes because I'd given up by then, but I'll certainly see them in my rewatch. :(

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Date: 2011-06-08 11:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anna-sg1.livejournal.com
I NEVER COULD WATCH ALL OF SEASON 9. I just couldn't. It was soooo bad to me.


(We will also not talk about what happened to Krycek & The Lone Gunmen. MAI CREYZ LET ME SHOW U TEHM)

CREYS FOREVER. ;__;

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Date: 2011-06-08 05:44 am (UTC)
ext_391411: There is a god sitting here with wet fingers. (awesome)
From: [identity profile] campylobacter.livejournal.com
the few scenes where we get to see Sam really flex her commandatorial muscle and be awesome are worth it
OMG whenever I see Sam in command, I melt. She was so adorable channeling Jack's leadership manner in "Spirits" that I was ecstatic when she got promoted to Major. There's still a faction of Sam-haters that object to her "rapid promotion" but hello? SHE CAN MAKE AWESOME HAPPEN WITH SCIENCE and good decisions under pressure and show true compassion for people. All leaders benefit from those traits.

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Date: 2011-06-08 06:07 am (UTC)
ext_45525: Gleeful Baby Riding A Bouncy Horse Toy (Be Afraid! (Carter))
From: [identity profile] thothmes.livejournal.com
And would these same Sam haters be the ones who didn't object when Jack O'Neill went from Brigadier to Major General to Lieutenant General in the space of 3 years, clearly without enough time in grade?

Sam had at least two (and probably at least three years in as Captain) and she would have graduated the Academy as a Lieutenant. She then served 5 years as a Major before getting her promotion to Lieutenant Colonel, and had 3 years at that rank before making Full Bird. This does not seem unreasonable.

I like Jack. He's the character that originally drew me to the show, and I tend to watch with "Jack goggles" on, although I like them all, and want them all to have their place in the sun. The show wouldn't work if it were just the Jack O'Neill, HERO show.

Even I know that Jack gets away with murder and the kitchen sink because RDA was their big name star with his name above the title, and that Sam, even though she is one of the most kick-ass female characters in television, is often relegated to the Technobabble Delivery Sustem, by the writers.

I think she deserved every promotion she got, and worked hard for them all.

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Date: 2011-06-08 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] anna-sg1.livejournal.com
^^ I love everything this comment chooses to be! ♥

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Date: 2011-06-08 04:19 pm (UTC)
ext_391411: May I witness the honeymoon? (MPREG)
From: [identity profile] campylobacter.livejournal.com
Yep, those are the haters. Old wank dies hard.

There was an SGA DVD commentary that called Rodney McKay & Radek Zelenka "expositionary characters"; that's definitely what Sam & Daniel were in SG-1 many times. I love plotty stories, but for me, the main reason I engage in literature isn't about "ooh what happens next?" but goes further in showing HOW events influence character development.

BW & Co. often concocted stories too big to adequately fit into 44 minutes, and a LOT of character development got passed over because of it, which is a damned shame.

I want to know about how Sara has her questions answered regarding CrystalEntity!Charlie in "Cold Lazarus".
I want Sam to tell someone -- even Janet -- how she's doing with the whole "twin" thing in "Point of View".
I want to know more about the antipathy between Daniel & Teal'c regarding Sha're in "Forever and a Day".
I want to know how the Team reconciles the rift created in "Shades of Grey".

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